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Enjoy83

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Hi everyone,

I am looking for a property lawyer / consultant. I own a property which I want to cancel. I need to approach the developer.

Please leave your contact number here, and I will get back to you.

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monsi

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Did you get any numbers?

Hi everyone,

I am looking for a property lawyer / consultant. I own a property which I want to cancel. I need to approach the developer.

Please leave your contact number here, and I will get back to you.

Thanks
Did you get any contacts?
 
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oasis2buyer

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Found this on the site and credit to the poster who found this article and the comment attached that went along with it - nothing could be more obvious - is this how laws are apparently introduced in Dubai - welcome to the wild wild middle east - they base laws on a law firm and a lawyer from a gov dept talking to each other - it's announced in a newsletter so this makes the news and apparently hey presto apparently this is all going to come true - no transparency or time frame but again it was released in a newsletter - isn't that how the developers operate between investors also when they feel like sending out a "newsletter" instead of responding to investors individually who hold concerns - they send a newsletter out instead with the usual spin that goes with it (oh they've checked with their lawyers before they do this the reason why they can't send out too many newsletters even when they say they will) which is not signed by the person communicating this but that's okay that's real enough to them and feel confident that the investor will believe it! They neglect to understand that investors have been waiting for 4 years or more and still nothing has materialised - how many newsletters will it take before action of any kind is taken and laws are in place to protect investors once and for all!

Quote: "I like Dubya's comment on this "story" when it was published in the Arabian Business news:

"Its great the way that new laws are announced via a newsletter reporting on a conversation between a lawyer at the land department and a lawyer at one of the law firms in Dubai - no detail, no timescale, no transparency."

source: New Dubai real estate law eyes cancellation clause - Real Estate - ArabianBusiness.com
 
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monsi

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The Propaganda Machine

Found this on the site and credit to the poster who found this article and the comment attached that went along with it - nothing could be more obvious - is this how laws are apparently introduced in Dubai - welcome to the wild wild middle east - they base laws on a law firm and a lawyer from a gov dept talking to each other - it's announced in a newsletter so this makes the news and apparently hey presto apparently this is all going to come true - no transparency or time frame but again it was released in a newsletter - isn't that how the developers operate between investors also when they feel like sending out a "newsletter" instead of responding to investors individually who hold concerns - they send a newsletter out instead with the usual spin that goes with it (oh they've checked with their lawyers before they do this the reason why they can't send out too many newsletters even when they say they will) which is not signed by the person communicating this but that's okay that's real enough to them and feel confident that the investor will believe it! They neglect to understand that investors have been waiting for 4 years or more and still nothing has materialised - how many newsletters will it take before action of any kind is taken and laws are in place to protect investors once and for all!

Quote: "I like Dubya's comment on this "story" when it was published in the Arabian Business news:

"Its great the way that new laws are announced via a newsletter reporting on a conversation between a lawyer at the land department and a lawyer at one of the law firms in Dubai - no detail, no timescale, no transparency."

source: New Dubai real estate law eyes cancellation clause - Real Estate - ArabianBusiness.com
The whole point of the exercise is to make people believe something will be done while not bothering to do it.

They brought out laws to stop purchasers from canceling contracts, this allowed developers to cheat investors with government support. Now they want to look as if they will address the problem they created but not do anything at all.

Be carfeul if you are thinking of using this law firm. There may be a conflict of interest.
 
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oasis2buyer

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That's why RERA came on the scene as did ARRA in Ajman supposedly - to pretend they are doing something for the investor and not bothering to do anything at all and nothing but a PR exercise - half if not all their (RERA) regulations make no sense but hey it was projected out there in media land that they were there to bat for the investors according to their many spokespeople including the CEO - they were to "clamp down on developers" at one time - didn't happen, wasn't going to happen and never will happen. The investor has been taken for a big ride! More than just a conflict of interest - it's scandalous! Even their website deters people from making a genuine complaint - if you want money it tells you to go to Arbitration - hey but that costs big money and that they know - so again they are off the hook, nothing but a referral agency and a haven for crooked developers.

Just like the pro bono scheme that went no where and was apparently open to everyone - the same law firm and many others were involved in the talks with the same govt dept - so what happened? Again something out there to make people think it was going to happen. It's there to let people know hey we haven't forgotten about you but in essence a PR excercise and very smartly orchestrated to make people believe they are batting with them and not against them and nothing materialises and that is what they rely on - no one following it up as people just don't get the time to be pushing sand up hill only for it to continue to tumble over them - however where's the investigative journalists to do a follow up??
 
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monsi

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Lifting the lid - Fighting the Propaganda Machine

That's why RERA came on the scene as did ARRA in Ajman supposedly - to pretend they are doing something for the investor and not bothering to do anything at all and nothing but a PR exercise - half if not all their (RERA) regulations make no sense but hey it was projected out there in media land that they were there to bat for the investors according to their many spokespeople including the CEO - they were to "clamp down on developers" at one time - didn't happen, wasn't going to happen and never will happen. The investor has been taken for a big ride! More than just a conflict of interest - it's scandalous! Even their website deters people from making a genuine complaint - if you want money it tells you to go to Arbitration - hey but that costs big money and that they know - so again they are off the hook, nothing but a referral agency and a haven for crooked developers.

Just like the pro bono scheme that went no where and was apparently open to everyone - the same law firm and many others were involved in the talks with the same govt dept - so what happened? Again something out there to make people think it was going to happen. It's there to let people know hey we haven't forgotten about you but in essence a PR excercise and very smartly orchestrated to make people believe they are batting with them and not against them and nothing materialises and that is what they rely on - no one following it up as people just don't get the time to be pushing sand up hill only for it to continue to tumble over them - however where's the investigative journalists to do a follow up??
Should we create a thread of potential items where we can post as much information as possible that a journalist could use to start investigating a story?

For example:
  • whistle blowing - if someone has inside knowledge
  • list of Government 'sponsored' articles that are obvious false promotions with any evidence to the contrary
  • developer press releases - and a subtext of what is really being said, using first hand experience
  • developers brochure 'blurb' versus what they you get, again using first hand experience
  • stories of 'customer care' - or lack there of, e.g. our developer always starts their emails with "Dear valued customer", then is quite aggressive and demanding (sub text "shut up and give us your money") and closes their emails without a name, only "customer services"

Anything that makes for eye opening reading and protects others from jumping into the same nest of vipers.

Once we have some momentum going, I could email a link to the thread to a list of global media email addresses that I happen to have.

If we could create some noise then perhaps it will shame them into treating people who invest in Dubai with some fairness.
 
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oasis2buyer

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If an "investigative journo" was really interested they would know how to contact the "genuine-investors" affected by all of this -by way of example there are already reports and articles about how a very large group of people have been affected in various projects in DSC alone from Ireland - just like there's a journo advertising themselves on the forum already but funnily enough people have made contact and it makes no sense as to why they only want people from a certain country to speak to them about their "real life experiences" - does it matter? People are in the same position - every "genuine investor" is affected in the same way no matter where they come from no matter what project it is in the end. The projects exposed, as many would know by now, are Stadium Point, Eagle Heights, Bermuda Views, Profile Residence and many others where many have invested from Ireland and from all over the world - there are many reports about this already and no possible reason as to why this investigation cannot be continued or followed up on - it can't be a hoax or is it? Again an "investigative journo" would be able to find this out although the police would have become involved a long time ago if it had been ...

However as example, it's the same story and other "genuine investors" will have no hope in getting justice if this is left untouched - it's great to put out a report in the media but why not the follow it up...the "investigative journo" would need to prove to everyone who has suffered the same fate as these investors from Ireland that something was actually done to effect change in my own opinion. Perhaps your contacts, that you happen to have, may want to follow this up for starters and from there it would lead to other investors affected in these very same projects. (The Irish people will not be interested to post anything here they have their own website). That's what "investigative journos" should be doing if that is what "investigative journalism" actually is. If anything this would be the best way to go. Then if it's worthwhile telling everyone how successful they were why not post it on the forum for everyone to see how far the "investigative journo" went to achieve something - other than that it's like peeing into the wind - goes no where but in the same direction it came from in my opinon!

Some references for follow up by investigative journos if they are interested in "real life experiences" would be very ideal particularly when you have investors who are being supported by Ministers from their own country and shows how things really are not what the speculators claim who receive a "Dear Valued Customer" newsletter "unsigned" (via their lawyers) and expect others to believe things are going well with the project and things are progressing....it would then call to question what then are these Irish people saying or are all about if what they are saying wasn't true? All these projects are "on hold" and have been for a very long time - the investigative journo needs to find out why, when and who is responsible and where has all the money gone and not into escrow? The law came into effect 28 June 2007 and so many investors purchased after this time and strangely enough the "Dear Valued Customer" newsletters never surfaced back then but they do now (sporadically) and they have a very standard approach which all the developers use - all approved by their lawyers no doubt?

Not one "genuine investor" expected that no delivery would take place by a certain date listed on their contracts otherwise what purpose would it serve to any of them to have their monies tied up indefinitely (when they are only mum and dad investors in many cases) without any financial benefit from any of it (still paying off their mortgages they borrowed to pay for "off plan" projects) and still waiting for it to be completed and a further estimated completion time provided which may never happen but that time was not provided until investors were jumping up and down for answers so eventually they had no choice but to send out a "Dear Valued Customer" newletter in many other projects affected in the same way - none of it makes sense! Millions were received by developers from "genuine investors" and they have nothing to show for it!! No one building delivered to date in these projects alone? The "investigative journo" requires to hop on a plan and take a good look at how barren it stands and how is it possible for progress to be continuing as is indicated in the "Dear Valued Customer" newsletters...

Source: www.
independent.co.uk/life-style/house-and-home/property/dubai-empty-eastern-promises-1841754.html
Source: www
tribune.ie/news/article/2010/jan/24/desert-storm-government-to-act-for-dubai-investors/
 
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